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Old 12-01-2004, 04:10 PM
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Hey Paco,
OK, I have a little time for gossip now as I'm healing nasty hook wound I recieved from a mahi mahi while crewing for Guy the other day, the odds finally caught up with me! OUCH!!


The Eclipse, when they put their mind to it, will usually catch more ahi in two days than I'll catch all year. One of the best stick men in the state. Their specialty is catching them during the off months (not our summertime) when they carry the highest price. Many of his fish don't go thru the weight station at the harbor so you won't see them in hawaii fishing news, plus I don't recall him fishing that much. I rarely call my marlin releases in to the desk either so most them don't go into the the fishing news count either (marketing flaw of my own, I should work on that!).

Kevin is top tuna dog! all the boats you mentioned except mine and Huntress have a stick mounted on the tower, Huntress uses their rig from the belly band of the tower (all you really need is the hiegth but the action of the stick supposedly makes the squids fly better). Often when nothing else will work the stick will, especially during these off months (non summer) when the only big yellowfin around are the ones in the porpoise school (the right school). It surprises me that you found me tied for second in august for YFT, I'll bet I was a long way behind Kevins 14. Usually the Rod Bender is where I figure the best marlin bite will be during tide changes etc... not in a crowded porpoise school or at one of the bouy's that's "holding". That's just me! When I do target the ahi I like to find an uncrowded spot and we do catch our share blind during the summer. The past few summers for sure I have had my best marlin action inside 500 fathoms but if I went wider more I would probably catch more ahi but it's hard to keep me away from my favorite inside holes when I know all it will take is a little patience and we'll find the stick faces, maybe a really big one too!

If I had a stick it would be nice to be able to rip a 150lb ahi out of the school every now and again (and again and again) though, especially when there aren't any or many marlin around. alot of people just want pull on something big by hook or crook. The more tools you have the better. guess I'll have to get my kite going! and some super bars and ......


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Old 12-01-2004, 05:47 PM
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I have never run one or seen one in person, but have always been interested in them for sport. Has anyone tried to run release clips off the main line, similar to kite fishing, with multiple rods?
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Old 12-02-2004, 01:34 AM
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Chip,

Presumably the fact that the bird is only there to keep the lures in the air means that one can downsize the bird and use only two squids instead - make it easier to rig some sort of release system I would assume ? If the bird is really just there to provide drag then perhaps something more consistent could be used then - say a pint metal pail or similiar ?

On another thought, if the idea is just to get baits skipping in the air, wouldn't a decent size helium balloon astern at 8 knots also do the trick for a couple of squids ? Rig 'em with loops in release-clips ? I admit that the balloon would be a pain when you came to a halt, but you could rig it on a teaser reel maybe..... at least you wouldn't get anything round the props ? Easier to deploy and retrieve than a kite.......especially in cross-winds !!

Too early to think straight guys, sorry............

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Old 12-02-2004, 04:17 AM
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If the bird is
>really just there to provide drag then perhaps something
>more consistent could be used then - say a pint metal pail
>or similiar ?
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I was thinking the same , and then I when I saw this from you I changed to why not have a big, big Zeus..... with a 16/0 hook dangling off the back as the drag ?

I know it "swims" nicely, but bet it will keep an even tension and not change the main rig's angle/height too much.
Of course, maybe it doesn't pull hard enough to keep the line taut ? And to think you've been making all that effort to reduce the drag ?

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Old 12-02-2004, 04:52 AM
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Thanks for the info ...keep it comming. ;)

Did you hear that Paco....a kite + spinners = big tunas crashing.

:+ :+ :+

That seems easier that trying to position the boat for when the tuna come eat up top.

I knew a group of ingeniuos fisherman could start throwing out alternatives.

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Old 12-02-2004, 05:25 AM
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Oh JC, if you want an easy alternative, take a leaf out of the Japanese and other spin afficienados and buy yourself a big Stella, load it with 80lb braid, and throw jigs into the tunas instead of trying to go around them with the boat to get the lures in front of 'em.

Saw a video recently sent me by a French friend of mine and it shows a bunch of people on the bow of a boat doing just that. We used to do it in Midway from the little boats, and it's suprising how long tunas will stay on top for if you're nowhere near them with a boat ! I took a Stella 16000 to Ascension last year just for that reason but the YF never rocked up !! You'll have to buy the rod for this from Japan or France. It takes a really specialised rod but they're not that expensive. I understand blues up to 400lbs have aslo been caught on this gear so it does work. Maybe an alternative for casting to finning swords too ??

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Old 12-02-2004, 08:45 AM
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I heard JC, I heard... and supposedly the spinners will come your way...? nah, don't think it's that easy... harder maybe.
JC, the tuna ride under the spinners with the bigger ones ussually in front of the school and they are always on the move. Successfully flying a kite on dry land is enough trouble for me, I can imagine the trouble it would be to fly one from my boat with other lines attached to the main kite line and on top of that still having to position it in front of the school because the school won't come to me. Even, dropping a bait in their path hasn't worked for me... the school avoids me by changing course x( I could swear the damned puka heads go away laughing their a_ _ off :+

[font color="navy" face="comic sans ms" size="2"]I rather have the mobility that pulling lures provide... my advice: get some of those bars and mix them with other small lures like the beautiful Unicorns, add some good ol'reliable Pixies then put two of Bart's Tuna Candy and leave a BR way back for the shy fatty... when you make a pass in front of a school and one line goes just lower the drag a bit and continue going until other reels start to sing too and stop when you are satisfied with the quantity of reels singing... two, three, four or even more!!! }>

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Paco:

You MUST try the kite with Jim's YUMMEE Fly'n Fish - http://www.carolinalures.com/ and http://www.carolinalures.com/yummeefln.htm!

Deadly and not that tough to use and position in front of spinners and tuna. Even easier when working a ledge or working around a log, shark buoy or FAD. I almost hate to talk about it too much due to the tuna tournaments me and my crew fish. Give Jim a call on the phone if you can...it will be well worth your time amigo. This method with Jim's baits are catching loads of big tuna and winning tournaments. I will try to get some of my video footage on a email format to show you the set up and tuna crashing the trolling kite Yummee flyer. I am using three different styles of kites based on the wind speed and or using a kite at times I can tune to pull either off my left or right sides depending on the wind and how the tuna school are moving. Two Yummee's can be fished per kite mainline or KISS and use one off the clip. You can then have a mix of Super Bars in the pattern with some of Bart's Tuna XXX (great bait as the trailing bait on a Super Bar) or Elk Hunt placed around the bars..look here at http://www.blackbartlures.com/xcart/...me.php?cat=249.

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Old 12-02-2004, 11:58 AM
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Roddy,



Yep, a release system can be done and you could run a couple squids that way. your release points do have to be fairly close to the boat so that the mainline is high enough that you can't bounce a squid over it and tangle, you really have to watch out in turns. Also the hookup ratio drops because of the time between the strike/release and actually coming tight but guys have worked that out with the kite elsewhere so I suppose this would be no different. something other than a bird/sled could be used to keep tension and consistent height of your rig line but you do need to keep in position with the moving porpoise school.

Helium balloon or trolled kite (wind permitting)should achieve the same goal and results. One of these days I will get my kite rod rigged up and will start experimenting trolling with it.

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I enjoy casting to tuna. I use a Stella. My rod is $120 graphite 7 footer nothing special.

50% throw the jig right after hookup but alot of times another fish will pick up the jig if you let it sink for a long ten count, then rip it in.

Most of the fish I catch with a jig on the surface are under 30#. Cast into the boil. Close the bail with your left hand as soon as the jig hits. If no fish open the bail for a seven count then close the bail with your left hand and rip the jig in.

The boat has to be at a dead stop or I never hook up. If I cast while the boat is still slidding I usually get nothing because the jig doesn't sink right.

I use a Newell star drag to drop straight down to larger 50/80# fish. When a pile comes up the 50#ers are holding about 30/100 feet below. They like to bite on the drop.

Hook them up right away and keep them moving toward the boat with short, very rapid strokes. The first couple stroke will be only a 1/4 turn of the reel handle. Then they should start circling up to the boat. The rodtip should never be up in the 10 o-clock position for for than 1 second, keep short stroking them, show no mercy. If you stall with the rodtip high you risk loosing rithymn and giving the fish a chance to get his head or worse change his bite and throw the hook.

I like a stiff rod for short stoking. I can get the fish to the boat faster if the energy I am using is transfered to moving the fish and not bending a fishing pole. Most tuna blanks are for live bait, so the tip is too soft for effective hookset when jigging. The one I use is a Diawa 5.6 rod with ring guides. I don't let the fish take drag so no problem with the guides. If we get a honker we spike the rod, start the boat and handline it in while going down current. I know thats cheatin but we only fish untill we catch what we need for the party ;)
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