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Old 12-05-2003, 04:06 PM
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Default Sounds like uncle Meltie to me!

This is a great thread, hailing the return of Capt. Fred Archer, voices in harmony were all of the usual including Erik Rusnak of Aloha lures, the Zutt man, Peter P-perfect, Capt. Roddy K.I.S.S., Dustin our legal Eagle, Jon be hot, Marco & Marko, Capt. Chip-Bender, Birdman lures,
Ynot, Mikey da Mike, top banana Akana big Reidee, O.K. U.K. Chris, Da kine lures Lowell, Capt. Say what ever, even "J. C ." made an appearence. Paco our popular SCMO friend popped the question [font color=red]"KONA STYLE HEADS"[/font] to which 119 responses were posted along with 1085 viewers who shared in the memories of what once was "Kona Style Heads" 4 posts on "Disco Ball" and 1 Post by Uncle Miltie, which read. "LOOKS LIKE COGGINS TO ME" HURUMPH.............[/font]

Posted by TracyM on Dec-05-03 at 01:10 AM
I am willing to call a spade a spade. [font color=teal]As am I, especially since [font color=red]T.M.[/font] post is in response to my photo Breakfast family a photo of 5 each different model sizes of B.B.L.Post # 91 Breakfast & their similarity to the Tado lure. In an earlier post # 33 on this thread I stated that there were similarities, but that was where it ended, Breakfast is not an out right copy of the Tado. Even the original shape was first made by a Japanese lure maker out of Honolulu long ago, same body contour, same scoop, center hole front & rear, this lure came in three sizes small, medium & large, they were the best Conventional lures I had ever tried. I will dig them out of a box in my garage over the weekend then post them for anyone interested in a piece of Hawaiian lure making history. I don't know today how many are making this modern conventional shape, Coggins--Bomboy--Joe Yee--Black Bart they are all good and each one has its own distinct finger print as do Plungers---Tubes---Jets---Bullets---cupped lures etc.. I for one would not want an exact Pakula, Yee, Allure, Zucker, Zutt, Marlin Magic, Coggins lure etc..

Tracy Melton is one of my accounts, we go way back together if you know what I mean, he should have no doubts by now as to my inventive manner, lure models, Tuna Tubes, etc. etc. etc. None of us have much of a gripe with the cross overs just like Erik of Aloha lures echoed, it is all part of the grand scale evolution of lures where ever they might be made. i.e. things that look alike but aren't always alike, shoes, toasters, bars of soap, frying pans, neck ties, fishing rods, knives, ball point pens, white t'shirts, by now you get my point, what isn't cricket is exact copies of bullets, plungers, jets, chuggers etc.. where would you draw the line, would you draw the line if you were hand engraving the lure with your name i.e. Mikey Mike, Roddy, maybe even Bart, what if someone copied your lure, then engraved your name on it as well sold it for a profit only Mikey Mike never saw a dime from the proceeds hmmmmmmmmmm would this be Kosher? [font color=green]Or would it just be another look alike Dill.[/font]

[/font] I have been watching Coggins big Tado produce in Kona for many years. I first watched Chip and Jerome Judd on the Jun Ken Po crush big blues with those hand made works of art. Joe Yee has one very similar called [font color=red]"Pee Wee Herman"[/font] but it is not as detailed(Jetted 4-sided shell insert) as the original....The Coggins Tado. No other lure I had seen up to that point even looked like it. Very hard to mistake the original....Coggins Tado.
I would have to ask Chip his opinion as to whether they are the same. He has pulled them more than I have.

[font color=teal] That is a good idea, I know some others we can ask as well. I'm out of here back to the question at hand [font color=red]"Kona Style Heads"[/font][font color=black]Papa










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Old 12-05-2003, 06:25 PM
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Default RE: Sounds like the same old song and dance...with

Well you are right Bart, Everyone has their own spin on lures. As we had spoken earlier many if not all lures are an amalgamation of many different styles, shapes and features. Some combining the best attributes of others into a winning combination.

I admire the fact that the old lure makers have such good memories when it comes to where these old lures came into being etc. It's the creativity of guys like Bart, Pete Pakula, Roddy, Marlin Parker, Joe Yee and Steve Coggins to name a few that continue to bring new and exciting lures to the market place.

Are some very similiar to others? Sure but they all have that unique flavor of thier inventor that sets them apart.


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Old 12-05-2003, 07:11 PM
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Default RE: Kona style heads...

Anyone interested in Aloha lures. Jan's site has good pictures. I have recieved good service from Jan. If there is any delay, she will e-mail you and let you know. She will not BS you or leave you hanging.
http://www.hawaiilure.com/catalog/lures.html

Mongo, Smash Bait, Machine, E-Z Nut and Beauty are all TOPS!!!
I have a disco ball, it pops like a slant from what I can see. The ones listed above are better in my book!!

A hook holding device on the tail end of these lures would be a nice
way to improve their user friendly qualities.

Another lure to see on her site is the big cup-funnel lure, Trailblaster by Isle Chrome Lures. This is one of the best ono lures on the market. The 12.5 oz one! All speeds to 25 knots!!! it pops but don't worry if it is staying down, Ono can't resist it. Colors/ Very Bright is Best

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Old 12-07-2003, 08:36 PM
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Default RE: Disco Ball Lure

Aloha Paco
I forgot what lure I rigged for you. I send out so many and have a short memory.........If its stubby its the Opelu, if not and its pointed and with a small face its the kona. Let me know what it looks like. I will be able to forward them to you.
Thanbks again
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Old 12-08-2003, 09:16 AM
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Default Here they are...

[font color=navy blue]OK guys they finally arrived and here are the pictures I promised, first some porno... yeap here they are totally undressed ;)

http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00..._uimages/1.jpg

http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00..._uimages/2.jpg

http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00..._uimages/5.jpg

http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00..._uimages/3.jpg
Note that although the three heads seem to be the same they have a little variant between themselves and
that is the position of the tail end hole in them differs, so I would expect to have them swimming different.

http://mywebsite.register.com/db2/00..._uimages/4.jpg
Here are my babies already dressed to killl and next to a Joe Yee Super Plunger so you can estimate
the actual size. I'll just put wings on them to cover the extra set of eyes painted on the skirts.

With no doubt they are traditional conventional Kona heads... what do you say???
http://www.webspawner.com/users/pacosaca/signa04.gif
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Old 12-08-2003, 09:45 AM
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Oh ... I'm so confused. Which way is "up" on those nice looking lures you got there Paco?

-Allen
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Old 12-08-2003, 10:04 AM
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[font color=navy blue]Allen, they don't really have an up or down side for running, I would say they run about 50% of the time on one side and 50% on the other... marlin don't seem to mind ;)

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Old 12-08-2003, 11:17 AM
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Default RE: Here they are...

Wow Paco, they are beautiful looking heads. The pearl shell is cut pieces of golden pearl shell, not the shell sheet that everyone else uses in their lures, it's much more difficult to shape and polish, rare to see it being used nowadays. Funny, I think I even know where Mr. Yee gets them from. Is the lure in the left of the photo no. 4 and the right of photo number 3 lead weighted?

I don't know a thing about traditional Kona heads but I would be a little worried about the off-center leader holes in the back of the heads - would anyone else???

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ps. I love that Gay Bob white Pearlescent Super Plunger!!!
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Old 12-08-2003, 12:01 PM
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Howzit Paco and the rest of you Pole-Benders, Those lures look sweet Bradda! I make alot of them in all sizes and I get Great feedback on them! The Pearl style heads with the GayBob color skirts in any size are a Big Hit down under(AU)!Those lures look like they have the right lead weight in them Too which is important! Basicly the belly weight on the lure is the Long Side but like Paco Mentioned they swim 50/50! That thick shell is hard to come by these days to! Hard to find it flat! About 5 years ago a friend of mine who lives in Vietnam found a ton of shell almost the size of a catchers mit! He sent me a sample and knowing the danger of shell dust I used precautions cutting the shell up to use in my lures! Unfortunately I got a very bad Lung Infection! I never used it again! Who made the lures? Happy Holidays Gang! Melekalikimaka! Aloha Bird
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Old 12-08-2003, 12:32 PM
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Default RE: The Mighty "Tado"...

Here's a photo of the Steve Coggins "Tado" lure

http://www.malolotackle.com/GIFs/14.JPG

I've taken this photo from Malolo Tackle at www.malolotackle.com. I confess I didn't have permission but I hope John S. won't mind, hopefully a bunch of clients will come his way. Although I'm sure most of you guys will be familiar with his excellent website.

Another photo from Steve Coggins personal website at http://members.aol.com/copalures/index10.html

http://members.aol.com/copalures/copa4.jpg

What a beauty!

cheers - dustin
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